kork
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#1 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 00:31
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Like any member of Tgcomics, I like to see m2f transformations, for some weird reason. But I do believe there is a fine line between interesting Tg comics and just plain porn.
like for instance like the comic ex that is just pure porn, even though I know this site contains adult content, I am not asking the admin nor am I asking any of the artist to change their ways. I am asking the admin of this site to divide site into thirds, one third for regular none porno comics, on third for premiums, and the other third for the porn comics.
this isn't a demand for the admin to do anything if she doesn't do anything and revokes my membership is fine by me. But this is only and will be a suggestion that members, artists, and the admin should debate about.
for the reason I am saying this is because of after reading Infinity's vampire tg comic.
I just think the comics should have more of a plot than ending up having sex.
If you disagree with me, okay
If you do agree with that's fine.
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TheSaint
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#2 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 00:59
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I agree.
Every update there seems to be more sex than story. I wish there where more comics like Were-Wif.
Don't flame me.
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TheSaint
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#3 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 01:01
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Or Mask of Venus.
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antony_oigres
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#4 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 03:56
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maybe Infinity goes too far, but You are free to stop read. I did, but I tried to admire only the art of employing in the black/white the yellow and red as only colors.
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Aardvark
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#5 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 04:39
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Some of this is not to my taste, and I wish sometimes that there was more story and less sex, but that said, I wouldn't want to change much, if anything.
Basically, the contributors to this site do it because they want to, not for the money. This means that the creative process is wide open, fun, and if the mood strikes, raunchy. Personally, I would hate to see the site split further because each division constitutes a judgment. Not saying that some judgments aren't necessary to maintain a society, but keeping it to a bare minimum is following the spirit, I think, of the 1st Amendment. If you go to the "Artists" tab and look for the description of the story, Femur provides an "Explicit Warning" label, and he doesn't even have to do that.
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monechri2b
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#6 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 05:28 | Edited by: monechri2b
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I disagree to kork.
I agree to antony_oigres.
Some like more story; some like more porn; some like both.
My idea:
Comics and sequences should be marked how much porn (on a scala from 1 to 10 or 1 to 5 or so) they content.
Or if you don't like a scala, only mark if there is porn or not.
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PJWrght
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#7 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 05:52
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Speaking only from personal preference:
With certain very specific exceptions dealing with children and child pornography, I have no interest in or patience for censorship. I will be responsible for choosing what I see and hear and think. As has been suggested, if I don't like it I can always just stop reading.
That being said, I don't see it as censorship (or even elitism) when a person creates a website and says, 'This site is for this kind of thing but not that kind of thing. That kind of thing goes in a different website like the one over there.'
I would not presume to tell Femur or anyone else what qualifies as 'this' versus 'that'. If I wanted that kind of power, I'd create my own website.
However, I'm not adverse to saying that when it comes to my own personal preferences (and not to take away anything from Infinity's obvious and enviable talent or the amount of effort that went into that latest submission) : 'More story, less fluids please.'
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AnneOniMouse
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#8 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 08:14
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You should remember that the opening page of the site carries the appropriate warning about the content. I think it would be very hard to divide the site in a way that would please everyone individually. It is really up tp each of us to exercise caution and try to avoid what we don't like, rather than seek it out and complain about it.
It is odd because I will sometimes create a caption or comic and think why did I do that, it isn't really something I am really into. The inspiration sometimes comes from others and sometimes just seems to follow on.
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mignon
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#9 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 08:53 | Edited by: mignon
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I agree with most of the later posts-you can state your opinion that one things does or doesn't "float your boat" (which lots of people seem to like to do, lol), but it's not really appropriate to expect a site to change to suit you. However, it would be good to put an explicit warning at the first panel of anything that does contain explicit scenes. While that information might be available on certain pages, I just went through the "Updates" page and started the comic "Ex girlfriend" and it isn't clear that there is explicit sex when you start. And, yeah, while you can stop at any time, it can be frustrating to get halfway through something only to realize it's the wrong story for you.
The problem is that there are two big reasons people are here. Some come for emotional appeal, and others for purely sexual reasons. The two certain can meet, though, I think it's pretty seldom. I don't know why the latter is more popular with artists here. If you were to go and start digging for percentages at fictionmania, I bet the proportions would be the same-maybe a little more exaggerated because we have only a small number of artists.
I can say from personal experience, writing a story that tries to encompass transgendered elements but doesn't focus on something simple like the transformation or sexual intercourse is very hard! So, that too, might explain why you see more sex here than other kinds of stories.
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TheDeeMan
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#10 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 08:56 | Edited by: TheDeeMan
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I agree with the person who said "if you don't like it just stop reading the comic". Did you EVER consider for a moment to just stop reading the comic you don't like BEFORE you felt the need to ask Femur to change the site to suit your tastes?
No, I'm guessing not.
Dee
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tgfan92
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#11 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 09:10
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mignon: I can say from personal experience, writing a story that tries to encompass transgendered elements but doesn't focus on something simple like the transformation or sexual intercourse is very hard! So, that too, might explain why you see more sex here than other kinds of stories.
I know what you mean. That is why I am afraid to post my story once i get one or 2 more chapters. With all that you see on this site, it might not be what readers are interested in. It has transformations and all that, but it has almost no sex, and well a transformation, to me anyway, is much better seen than read.
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femur
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#12 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 09:15
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I realize that not everyone wants to look at graphic depictions of sexually explicit content. I've tried to warn people by putting a warning on the little description of a comic on the artist's page and the comics page.
I realize, however, that if you're clicking on a link from my cover blog, you may not realize that the content of something might be sexually explicit. I think a good solution will be if I put a red border or some other indicator around thumbnails that link to sexually explicit content. I think that will serve as enough for a "viewer beware" warning.
Also wanted to say that I'm fine with having discussions such as this, though I would have hoped for a different topic title ;)
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custodes
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#13 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 09:31
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I'm an adult and everyone that's on this pages has indicated they are 18+ years old. If you or I are not interested in viewing sexually explicit material we can easily stop reading. I don't think it's necessary to provide further censorship.
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commotion22
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#14 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 09:41
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I don't know where I stand on this one. I am NOT a prude, but I am a bit old fashioned in that there should be consent, and a bit of emotional attachment and attraction, before sex--and if not, then a clear understanding that this is a "one night stand" between parties. I blanch somewhat at "hard-core" depictions of animalistic sexual activity, but some of those same acts can be used in a loving relationship. This was "not my cup of tea."
Nevertheless, I am a huge admirer of Infinity (He is one of my 3D gods!!). I drop in on his page often and look at his hand-drawn works on DeviantArt and I think he is every bit the artist with or without computer aid. This comic won't change any of that.
So I think I will just chalk it up to "exploring the boundaries"--the art was superb!--and await the next offering. Even my most favorite bands produce a song I am not wild about from time to time!
Infinity: Keep at it! In the end, you will be judged by the body of your work and not just this or that single piece!
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mignon
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#15 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 10:12
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tgfan2, you shouldn't worry about the fact that your story isn't like the majority of new works. I think there is a wide audience here, so just about any type of story will have some interest (as long as it's good:)
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tgfan92
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#16 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 10:15
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Darn, there's always a catch. lol
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patrickstevens
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#17 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 10:16
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I think all the TG artists, from Holly Dunn to CBlack and Infinity and others, all kind of fill a genre in their work, and Infinity fills the "hardcore" aspect of it, which i'm totally fine with. I've bought comics from his site, and will continue to do so as i'm a big fan of his work and I pretty much know what i'm getting into when I read his stuff.
I wouldnt have a problem with some kind of rating system here, but when in the description of the story it states "Please be aware that this comic contains graphic depictions of sexually explicit content.", that should throw up a flag of some sort for those who arent into that sort of thing.
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tgfan92
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#18 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 10:23 | Edited by: tgfan92
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Personally, if the when you type in "tgcomics.com" into your browser, and the first page says, warning, sexually explicit content must 18 years or older, yada yada, you enter at your own risk. Just be glad there is some stuff you do enjoy. Generally speaking, those warning are put up to indicate things of a sexual nature, and as such, its surprising that you checked the site out if that sort of thing bothers you.
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MissSaraJames
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#19 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 11:02 | Edited by: MissSaraJames
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PJWrght: 'More story, less fluids please.'
LMAO! From now on, I plan on using this as an acronym when sex as being used as a crutch for a poor plot. As in, "This 'story' had less plot than a porn flick directed by someone with Attention Deficit Disorder. MSLFP."
As for sexual content itself, I like it. At the same time, it's not the only thing that I like. I wish it was used more as a spice rather than as a main ingredient. Kork, your point is well taken. This isn't the first time someone has used the forums to express a desire for more plot and less sex. I think many people share your concern.
Still, tastes vary, and I'm not put off by the content here.
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nakedfunn
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#20 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 11:23
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My name ought to be a good clue as to where I stand.
How much is too much is a matter of tastes. If you want completely sterol entertainment stick with TV, which is probably the most censored form of entertainment I can think of.
Over 40 years of chipping away at TV because of complaints has made it what most of us know of as the most watered down form of public entertainment there is.
I agree with custodes. We're all adults, and if you are uncomfortable with any mere flash of sexuality at some point no one is forcing you to go further.
I think the limits are enough already, which is my opinion. We are adults.I don't see any reason to make censorship more difficult than it already is. I'm just thankful for the site, and am more glad that it's here. You'll never hear me complain about sexual explicit material. If you do, please someone slap me hard.
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tristra
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#21 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 11:29
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I think, that other than a little more warning, which Femur has already covered, everything here is fine.
I don't personally like porn I prefer plot and intimacy, the emotional connection.
but I will defend to the death other peoples right to create and view it as long as it doesn't violate any IRL laws.
Perhaps you can tell us more of what you like instead of what you hate.
An argument based on negatives is never accurate unless those negatives are backing some positives.
This might also inspire more writers to write or share works along those lines.
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midnighter
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#22 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 13:43
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I am a little in agreement with Kork , the sex time after time is getting a little dull, as is the mindless domination. Any chance we can have a run of stories where people retain their own wills , and also more social integration. Bimofication and domination is getting a little dull.
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IshAsh
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#23 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 13:49
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tristra: Perhaps you can tell us more of what you like instead of what you hate. An argument based on negatives is never accurate unless those negatives are backing some positives.
Thank you Trista for advocating civil discourse! I weep over the decline of manners and respect in our modern day relationships.
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GreatSage
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#24 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 14:02
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I'm not the greatest fan of Domination and Rape stories - can't say they are my cup of tea, however - as others have said we are all adults and are ( presumably) intelligent and mentally competent enough to make judgement calls on what we do or do not like - I wonder if a system of categories might help - you know like how some sites have Labels for Femdom, Bimboification and so on?
I fundamentally am opposed to dividing this site up - it's strength is it's unity - it's sense of community - we have seen what happened to the Cappers when they were shipped off to their little Isolation Ward :).
I quite enjoyed Infinity's story - although I was a bit put off by the number of typos in something that was originally sold for a fee - I expect anything I pay for to be proof read and edited to a decent standard - it was harmless and silly fun - eye candy and visually very impressive in a somewhat primitive and emotive style - I mean that as a compliment by the way
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Chalkerfan
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#25 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 15:37
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Please don't divide the site up into classes, sub-classes, categories, sub-categories, 18+, 19+,20+, over 65+ etc. I honestly think that that sort of sanitisation might (gulp) kill TGComics.
As for the whole porn thing, although I love the sight of a naked, beautiful (presumably TG'd) lady, I do like to be teased first.
IMHO the split second a female character in any form of media goes full frontal, she loses that mysterious "something" and becomes less alluring.
So my suggestions in the "DISGUSTING" thread are:
1) Leave the site well enough alone.
2) No naked ladies of any kind in the first 20 frames of any comic (after that, anything goes).
3) Visitors to the site should be reminded just how tame the site is compared with transgender sites as a whole.
TG comics and stories are a dangerous, edgy area and prudes won't thrive in it.
:-)
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C_Monster
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#26 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 16:13
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Ever since the late 70's to 2009 a lot of low budget horror move would have three things. One is a lot of foul language. Two the nude scenes that didn't need to fit into the movies, it just needed to be there. Three blood and goer, the more the merrier. For me at least some was OK, most was so, so.
The movie that took about thirty years get were I could watch without getting spook. Its call "The Haunting" done in 1962. Not gore, no violence, its all in you head.
My point is that some time what you don't see can be more affective that what you can see, like things that go bump in the night.
What I like about my TV set I do have a on and off switch and with as much no plot sexual show on the tube its mostly off, except for "Numbers" in my view its the only show out there that get it right between camera work, lighting, acting and plot that make me look forward to watching a show.
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Auryn Dawn
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#27 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 17:11
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I hardly ever post here, and yet I feel I have to put my two cents in...
Feel free to ignore this somewhat soapboxy post.
Tgcomics.com is a site unlike any other, free from annoying pop-ups, searchfunction-issues, trolls and other assorted mess. It's filled with first class choice material for anyone interested (either mainly sexually/fetishistic, or otherwise stemming from a personal and more emotional involvement) in tg-related content. First of all, it should be noted that femur is doing, and has done, one hell of a job running this site, and providing us all with the kind of reading material that connects with our desires and interests. I love Tgcomics, and when I first discovered it, I felt the kind of elation I only felt once I'd discovered fictionmania, originally. Despite my unability to financially support Tgcomics' originator and all of this site's artists, I still value immensely the work they put into making the stuff we love to read.
Because these artists provide their great artwork and stories for us, mainly for free, everyone get a chance to enjoy the fruits of their labour, how variedly they might choose to present it, in terms of sexuality, art, storyline, fetishes, etc. In the Netherlands we have a saying which goes: "Je moet een gegeven paard niet in de bek kijken", which translates as: "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth". This means that when something is made essentially, as a gift, a present, to you, you should appreciate the effort or the intent put behind it, and be grateful. Even if sometimes that gift might be a horribly ugly sweater given to you by your aunt, which you wouldn't wear in a million years, it doesn't hurt to be thankful to her that she went to the trouble of knitting that abomination. Even if you don't like a particular person's artwork, choice of fetish, subjectmatter or storyline, you can, to a certain extent, be grateful that there exists a place for them to post it, and for us to read it.
Now the above does not mean that artists should be free from criticism. Being grateful towards a person who provided you with the free gift, doesn't mean that you have to accept it as something intrinsically good or valuable, or even worth wearing/reading. Stretching the tattered sweater-analogy even further...say your politically obtuse aunt knitted you a sweater which has some horribly sexist remark on it, and you wouldn't wear it in a million years... You could, despite thanking her for the thoughtful (well, actually -less) gift, perhaps tell her why you didn't think it was a good idea to knit that kind of sweater, and explain why you think the remark made on it made it hard to wear for you.
In this case, you would have been both gracious, and informative.
What the opening poster has done seems much like not only being very rude and thankless towards a giftgiver, but also demanding without being particularly informative.
You've got a lot of aunts here, some of them will make the worst and some of them will make the best sweaters you ever wore... please appreciate the gifts lest they decide its not worth knitting anymore.
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iamseercoltz
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#28 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 17:45
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Here here, Auryn Dawn, I couldn't have said it better myself.
I do have a few things to say about this topic, though.
As an artist who makes these comics purely as a hobby, my mood and what goes into one of my comics changes all the time.
I am also a writer in my private life, and there is little to no explicit material in many of the stories I have written. That said, my interest in TG has a lot to do with the physical changes involved, the process therein, and how the sudden change of physical form and sexual organs would affect someone. I've always believed that the adrenaline and movement involved in suddenly growing female organs would be incredibly an intensely sexual experience. I also believe that if I were to become a woman, my life wouldn't be altogether different (I'm not speaking of mental change tf's right now). I would have a similar job, the same interests, and the same family and friends. Other than wearing dresses and make-up (If I wanted), the only other major physical difference for me would be the sex. What does it feel like? If it's so much better than sex for a man, wouldn't I want more? I think that sex is an important aspect of the tg experience, and not one to be ignored whenever I pick up a pen or turn on Poser. I am also very into post-tgtf sex, so that's going to probably be present in most of my work.
Given, many of my stories feature mental changes. In The Ex, the protagonist is turned into a girl that didn't get enough sex in her relationship, and wanted to experiment. She also has an oral fixation. Therefore, Luke is transformed into a woman with those hangups, and when the opportunity presents itself, very much wants to experiment with her new-found desires. Most of the story itself does not have any sex in it, but considering it is the crux of the female protagonist's issues, it had to come to some love-making eventually to sort out the relationship's temporary (albeit omnipresent) issues. I wrote this story a long time ago, and didn't feel it needed a longer, more complex ending, as it's a tg vignette, not a major work of fiction.
Anyway, in Incompatible, all of the characters are pretty messed up (except Mike, really, he's the good guy of the comic). So when the potion in that comic changes someone into someone else, they gain that person's desires, which in this case were again sexual.
These are mental changes though, meant to explore a man turning into a more sexual woman, or a more air-headed one, or a more screwed up one. And no, that doesn't always need to be the case, but it's the most interesting aspect of the transformation for ME.
I love reading stories without any sex in them, and I love reading stories with sex in them, and honestly, this site has a lot of both. So let's enjoy all the wonderful possibilities of TG Comics, and not get caught up in censorship arguments, especially on a tg site!
So thank you for keeping up this wonderful site, Femur, and making an effort to appease all of your fans.
I will always encourage constructive criticism of my work, but please don't call it disgusting unless you have a really, truly good reason to back it up. The characters are imperfect to make a point in the story, but cheating and scheming? That aspect of the story may be disgusting, but the story wouldn't be interesting without those things.
But sex? Sex is not disgusting. It's pretty damn beautiful, really. And I wish I could experience from a female point of view, I really do, in every hardcore way. But that would, again, be a night of sex. The next morning, male or female, I'd be my usual self, working as I do, living a pretty normal life.
All the best to the dreamers out there,
Seer Coltz
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iamseercoltz
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#29 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 17:50
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Oh, and do you really think THE EX is "pure porn"?
I have another question, actually. Did you read the comic? I'd like to thing there were a dialogue-filled panels in the comic (30 or so, I believe) before I got all "hard-core" on my readers. ^_-
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MisterSinister
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#30 | Posted: 18 Oct 2009 23:29
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Well I do love a good story.
The rest I can do without. I am not getting specific, as if I do not care for it I stop reading it
As such, I do encourage everyone else to exercise their personal choice. Do not like it? Do not read it.
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