tristra
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#1 | Posted: 4 Nov 2009 17:07 | Edited by: tristra
Some researchers have found that Kissing actually serves a biological purpose. For m a purely scientific perspective I find this fascinating. From a fiction reader and attempted writer I find this a potential flood of ideas. I found it HERE have a look and tell me what you think.
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Teeg92
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#2 | Posted: 4 Nov 2009 20:23
It sounds a bit far fetched to me that a kiss can kill a fetus, but science does a lot of weird things I guess.
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tristra
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#3 | Posted: 4 Nov 2009 20:36
It's not the kiss that would kill the fetus, but the little bit of genetic junk that would come in with the sperm, the kiss allows for these little bits to be transfered to the woman in small doses and allows her body to adapt to them so they won't cause problems during pregnancy.
Most people today think that we are made up of only pure human DNA but actually there are Mitochondria and a wide host of Bactria that vary from person to person that help us in many ways. If not introduced properly our bodies can see this and all it is attached to as foreign and attack it. In this case that would be the fetus.
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Teeg92
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#4 | Posted: 4 Nov 2009 21:47
That makes a lot more sense than what I just read. lol.
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TheDeeMan
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#5 | Posted: 5 Nov 2009 11:54
But isn't all that (that the fetus is a foreign object to the mother's body) the very reason the fetus isn't a part of the mother's body but is separated from her body by the womb? I mean, how does this theory explain childbirth back when we were still cavemen/women and kissing didn't exist? The species would have died out according to this kissing theory. Dee .................................................. ............... THE CONTINENTALS. Murder, mystery, intrigue, adventure--And cross dressing. www.webcomicsnation.com/moniquem/continentals/seri es.php
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VeryZenn
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#6 | Posted: 5 Nov 2009 14:43
You think there was a time when people didn't kiss?
I mean maybe it was more like biting but the use of the mouth on sexual partners if pretty common even among non-human species.
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tristra
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#7 | Posted: 5 Nov 2009 19:31
As I understand it, this doesn't eliminate the "Foreign element" of the fetus but allows the body to accept it long enough for the womb to develop and effectively segregate the two systems.
And VeryZenn you are right, it seems to be a running trend, but in humans it seems to serve a greater purpose because we have to breed further outside our normal gene pool to avoid birth defects making these minor differences greater in our mates and causing the need for an adaptation period.
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TheDeeMan
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#8 | Posted: 5 Nov 2009 23:28
You do realize that not all human beings kiss? You think cavemen kissed? You think our earliest ancestors before the caveman who were more ape-like, you think they kissed? You do realize that american indians were taught how to kiss by the europeans when they arrived in america because kissing was foreign to them. Eskimoes didn't kiss in a traditional "kiss". Now they do. But see american indians as to why. Kissing is also foreign to tribal africans. Don't assume because you and I do it and that it's commonly done that everyone does it. It just aint so. Dee .................................................. ................. THE CONTINENTALS. Murder, mystery, intrigue, adventure--And cross dressing. www.webcomicsnation.com/moniquem/continentals/seri es.php
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tristra
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#9 | Posted: 6 Nov 2009 01:24 | Edited by: tristra
It is not absolutely needed The work only said it reduced the chance of rejection. It didn't say that conception was impossible without it. but the fact that Europeans and all the cultures they come in contact with breed like rabbits seems to support the idea a bit.
and regardless of the act there are forms of intimacy similarly in all cultures. most of which would fit the criteria needed for passing on these markers. Those that don't, often live in such a isolated environment that there is little deviation and little need.
Please don't turn this into a I'm wrong your wrong battle situation I just thought it was a neat little tidbit.
And as far as plot I was thinking what if there was a person that could receive something more from a kiss. Imagine a person becoming like the person they kiss over time due to an over sensitivity to that kind of genetic marker slowly replacing his own DNA with theres. Or a gregarious character gaining a wide range of attributes from different people as he passes from relationship to relationship. No real mental changes such as likes or dislikes, but imagine the emotional ride you could send them on.
Remember, an open mind will often get false positives. but a closed mind will only get negatives false or not. both can be write and both can be wrong but only one has the room to overcome there shortcomings.
Have an open mind and have fun with the concept whether you believe it or not. even if it is found to be false the joy of the journey is true enough and it may lead to some truths that you don't yet know.
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Mercurius
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#10 | Posted: 6 Nov 2009 20:30
I believe kissing was invented somewhere in South Asia, probably around 5000 BC (sorry, forgot my reference). The greatest vector to the wider world might arguably be Alexander the Great bringing it to Europe (after contact with Indians), and then Europeans exporting it to their colonies.
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Vinnymonster
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#11 | Posted: 6 Nov 2009 21:22 | Edited by: Vinnymonster
TheDeeMan
But isn't all that (that the fetus is a foreign object to the mother's body) the very reason the fetus isn't a part of the mother's body but is separated from her body by the womb? I mean, how does this theory explain childbirth back when we were still cavemen/women and kissing didn't exist? The species would have died out according to this kissing theory.
Umm, how do you know kissing didn't exist then?
People who live in a stone age culture in modern times kiss, such as the Australian Aboriginie, the Bushmen of the Kalahari Desert.
It is also possible that this mechanism developed as we became homo sapiens sapiens.
And from what I've researched, kissing in other cultures was used for different meanings than romatic. Some cultures merely used it for respect, some just as a greeting or farewell. Romantic kissing is a relatively new thing.
I'm not saying you're wrong, DeeMan, just passing a comment :)
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TheDeeMan
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wbtke
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#13 | Posted: 7 Nov 2009 08:20
Some scientists make the rest look dumb.
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Vinnymonster
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#14 | Posted: 7 Nov 2009 09:58
Sometimes I think some scientists just say stuff to be heard.
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AnneOniMouse
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#15 | Posted: 7 Nov 2009 15:07
It is the idea that if we do something there must be a bigger reason than people actually find it pleasurable. The idea that he has found the primary cause would be laughable, just a useful side-effect maybe.
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